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		<title>By: Lessons Learned: The Importance of Where You Live &#124; Geekflex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lessons Learned: The Importance of Where You Live &#124; Geekflex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] while working remotely out of Montreal, I declined because I didn&#8217;t like the idea of being isolated from my teammates. Instead I switched teams to the only software team that operates in Montreal, which is a very [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] while working remotely out of Montreal, I declined because I didn&#8217;t like the idea of being isolated from my teammates. Instead I switched teams to the only software team that operates in Montreal, which is a very [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Postmortem: Norwegian Wood - The Quixotic Engineer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Postmortem: Norwegian Wood - The Quixotic Engineer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] came at a cost to communication and motivation. For Norwegian Wood we decided that there is really no substitute for face-to-face time and met up in person every day. This was extremely effective, both for making consistent measurable [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] came at a cost to communication and motivation. For Norwegian Wood we decided that there is really no substitute for face-to-face time and met up in person every day. This was extremely effective, both for making consistent measurable [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: The 5 Most Important Criteria For Career Happiness According To Skrud &#124; Geekflex</title>
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		<dc:creator>The 5 Most Important Criteria For Career Happiness According To Skrud &#124; Geekflex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] take hours to explain over the phone, instant messaging or e-mail can take mere minutes to explain in person. You can save all this time and extra frustration by just pulling up a chair next to someone [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] take hours to explain over the phone, instant messaging or e-mail can take mere minutes to explain in person. You can save all this time and extra frustration by just pulling up a chair next to someone [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 21:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree with you 100%. The problem with Microsoft is that everything happens in Redmond. It&#039;s a wonderful company to work for but you really have to move to Redmond if you want to work there. That&#039;s also one of the major benefits of the job because the centrality really promotes the face time you mention. Not only am I conveniently close to everyone I work with on a regular basis, but I&#039;m also close to all of the luminaries, managers and technical evangelists associated with the project who all live just down the hall from me. I get to chat with them in the coffee room. I overhear their hallway conversations. I get to hear their authentic opinions about stuff. This gives me an invaluable perspective on things.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you 100%. The problem with Microsoft is that everything happens in Redmond. It&#8217;s a wonderful company to work for but you really have to move to Redmond if you want to work there. That&#8217;s also one of the major benefits of the job because the centrality really promotes the face time you mention. Not only am I conveniently close to everyone I work with on a regular basis, but I&#8217;m also close to all of the luminaries, managers and technical evangelists associated with the project who all live just down the hall from me. I get to chat with them in the coffee room. I overhear their hallway conversations. I get to hear their authentic opinions about stuff. This gives me an invaluable perspective on things.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mike M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 20:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Being in a similar as you I will offer a counterpoint.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now that I can work from home more often I can get more done.  The days when I am in the office I often find myself drawn in to a mix of technical and frivolous discussions.  These help in getting to know your coworkers and sometimes I learn new things or come to useful conclusions about what to do next. But, I am also often interrupted by the conversations of others and people asking my opinions and advice about technical matters.  And, I will also interrupt others in their tasks as well.  Ultimately, the days I work from home I am far more productive than the days I spend in the office because I have far fewer interruptions. Also, when someone does interrupt me they make more of an effort to be concise and get to the point because we are no longer communicating face to face.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ideally I think a decent balance can be maintained, but it requires good leadership and coordination to get the right people together at the right time in order to make the time spent together useful.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being in a similar as you I will offer a counterpoint.</p>

<p>Now that I can work from home more often I can get more done.  The days when I am in the office I often find myself drawn in to a mix of technical and frivolous discussions.  These help in getting to know your coworkers and sometimes I learn new things or come to useful conclusions about what to do next. But, I am also often interrupted by the conversations of others and people asking my opinions and advice about technical matters.  And, I will also interrupt others in their tasks as well.  Ultimately, the days I work from home I am far more productive than the days I spend in the office because I have far fewer interruptions. Also, when someone does interrupt me they make more of an effort to be concise and get to the point because we are no longer communicating face to face.</p>

<p>Ideally I think a decent balance can be maintained, but it requires good leadership and coordination to get the right people together at the right time in order to make the time spent together useful.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Roo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 18:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Skrud, nice posting - and some insightful comments being made here as well.  When I initially read this I got the impression that you were painting the picture that the workplace environment you are in MUST be this way - and that for some reason it is flawed due to corporate culture setting the standard.  So my comment here is in that light - forgive me if I&#039;m off base a little.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;When I finished school the one goal I had was to make software that mattered.  To meet a lofty goal like that you&#039;ve got to be able to think (and act) big.  Far too many of the flashy Web2.0 efforts we see out there are the result of a small team (~5) of people with a big idea - and of the small number of projects that succeed, there is a vast number that fail.  Sure, building the next Yahoo, Google, Facebook or Twitter will be software that matters and its something you can accomplish with a small team - but your chance of success is pretty low (feeling lucky?).  Being able to effectively leverage (and influence) a large team to deliver a big project is hard - but a lot less risk of failure if you persist.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So what am I saying?  Well, there is no argument that face to face is key to a strong relationship.  However, you need to avoid categorizing any job that puts you into the situation where you are working remotely as a &quot;bad environment&quot;.  If you do this - I&#039;m certain it will put a ceiling on the impact of what you are able to accomplish.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think the other message I&#039;d like to share is that a single individual can make a huge change in any environment.  People are lazy by nature, so they&#039;ll observe the status quo and happily follow along.  It is clear from what you&#039;ve said that you don&#039;t feel comfortable being part of the flock - but have you got your brain into the space that says: &quot;Ok, so this sucks - how do I fix it?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;d be surprised if others you work don&#039;t share your feelings about the remoteness - but none of them have the spark that makes them want to fix it.  Have you got what it takes?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skrud, nice posting &#8211; and some insightful comments being made here as well.  When I initially read this I got the impression that you were painting the picture that the workplace environment you are in MUST be this way &#8211; and that for some reason it is flawed due to corporate culture setting the standard.  So my comment here is in that light &#8211; forgive me if I&#8217;m off base a little.</p>

<p>When I finished school the one goal I had was to make software that mattered.  To meet a lofty goal like that you&#8217;ve got to be able to think (and act) big.  Far too many of the flashy Web2.0 efforts we see out there are the result of a small team (~5) of people with a big idea &#8211; and of the small number of projects that succeed, there is a vast number that fail.  Sure, building the next Yahoo, Google, Facebook or Twitter will be software that matters and its something you can accomplish with a small team &#8211; but your chance of success is pretty low (feeling lucky?).  Being able to effectively leverage (and influence) a large team to deliver a big project is hard &#8211; but a lot less risk of failure if you persist.</p>

<p>So what am I saying?  Well, there is no argument that face to face is key to a strong relationship.  However, you need to avoid categorizing any job that puts you into the situation where you are working remotely as a &#8220;bad environment&#8221;.  If you do this &#8211; I&#8217;m certain it will put a ceiling on the impact of what you are able to accomplish.</p>

<p>I think the other message I&#8217;d like to share is that a single individual can make a huge change in any environment.  People are lazy by nature, so they&#8217;ll observe the status quo and happily follow along.  It is clear from what you&#8217;ve said that you don&#8217;t feel comfortable being part of the flock &#8211; but have you got your brain into the space that says: &#8220;Ok, so this sucks &#8211; how do I fix it?&#8221;</p>

<p>I&#8217;d be surprised if others you work don&#8217;t share your feelings about the remoteness &#8211; but none of them have the spark that makes them want to fix it.  Have you got what it takes?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Abdullah Salim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abdullah Salim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 18:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Forgot to mention you don&#039;t get the free treats that people bring in when they return from holidays :p&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgot to mention you don&#8217;t get the free treats that people bring in when they return from holidays :p</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Abdullah Salim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abdullah Salim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 15:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I was told by someone that meeting someone face to face results in them feeling bad if they don&#039;t deliver something on time or without much effort.  At least in comparison to those you converse with through chat, phone and video meetings.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I tested this out as Co-Chair in 2008 and it seemed to work.  The people who I didn&#039;t meet face to face were a little more difficult to get results out of.  Those that I had meet face to face delivered exceptional work.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Even at work now with clients, those that I&#039;ve met personally are a lot more responsive than those I&#039;ve met through conference calls only.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was told by someone that meeting someone face to face results in them feeling bad if they don&#8217;t deliver something on time or without much effort.  At least in comparison to those you converse with through chat, phone and video meetings.</p>

<p>I tested this out as Co-Chair in 2008 and it seemed to work.  The people who I didn&#8217;t meet face to face were a little more difficult to get results out of.  Those that I had meet face to face delivered exceptional work.</p>

<p>Even at work now with clients, those that I&#8217;ve met personally are a lot more responsive than those I&#8217;ve met through conference calls only.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Danger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 14:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I know right?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I signed up since february for a project where i would have a lot of teammates in China. There were some hiccups, but i got my butt over to beijing and shanghai for a month, and have successfully met 95% of my teammates in both the US and China.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s been amazing actually eating and talking with people I only saw as icons, or screennames before.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know right?</p>

<p>I signed up since february for a project where i would have a lot of teammates in China. There were some hiccups, but i got my butt over to beijing and shanghai for a month, and have successfully met 95% of my teammates in both the US and China.</p>

<p>It&#8217;s been amazing actually eating and talking with people I only saw as icons, or screennames before.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Matthew Gallant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Gallant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 03:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I completely agree, the biggest mistake my group made in our SOEN390 project last semester was only getting together briefly to delegate work, then completing it individually.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Rands also wrote a great post on the subject: http://www.randsinrepose.com/archives/2009/04/15/the_pond.html&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree, the biggest mistake my group made in our SOEN390 project last semester was only getting together briefly to delegate work, then completing it individually.</p>

<p>Rands also wrote a great post on the subject: <a href="http://www.randsinrepose.com/archives/2009/04/15/the_pond.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.randsinrepose.com/archives/2009/04/15/the_pond.html</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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